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Howard B.

Jake Tapper of ABC News (who linked to this column) spoke with the soldier and said that he found him quite credible. I would suggest that before you spout off about things like this you take the time to go to the source and do a little research.

Teresa

Not that you actually care about the truth, but Jake Tapper talked to the army guy who backed up Obama's story: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/from-the-fact-3.html

Wally

Don't let the facts get in the way of thje truth guys. Because the truth hurts. The story has been fact checked and Obama was right. The Captain in question was a Lieutenant at the time. I quote:

"Prior to deployment the Captain -- then a Lieutenant -- took command of a rifle platoon at Fort Drum. When he took command, the platoon had 39 members, but -- in ones and twos -- 15 members of the platoon were re-assigned to other units. He knows of 10 of those 15 for sure who went to Iraq, and he suspects the other five did as well."

check out the link yourself. and pull your heads out of your asses:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/from-the-fact-3.html

 Your Conscience

Don't let the facts get in the way of the truth Rape-Public-Cans. Because the truth hurts. Now go on and swift boat this hero. The story has been fact checked and Obama was right. The Captain in question was a Lieutenant at the time. I quote:

"Prior to deployment the Captain -- then a Lieutenant -- took command of a rifle platoon at Fort Drum. When he took command, the platoon had 39 members, but -- in ones and twos -- 15 members of the platoon were re-assigned to other units. He knows of 10 of those 15 for sure who went to Iraq, and he suspects the other five did as well."

check out the link yourself. and pull your heads out of your asses: You loser pukes are such a joke. It is cute how you play along as if you had a prayer of winning 08. See there is a price to pay when you support, enable, and excuse a dry drunk AWOL failure. GOP is DEAD.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/from-the-fact-3.html

william

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/from-the-fact-3.html

Captain produced, by ABC News’s Jack Tapper.

Hey, genius. Look it up. Read it and weep for our country. I guess Barrack knows a little more than you, huh. LOL

HumboldtBlue

So, are you going to post a correction? I won't hold my breath.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/from-the-fact-3.html

Swift Dem Activist for Sniping 527s

so what happens when Obama ends up telling the truth: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/from-the-fact-3.html

Neil

First off, the CINC is the one responsible for how the money is allocated. It was the CINC who decided to shift resources to Iraq while still fighting in Afganistan.

Second off, apparently the platoon was split, at least ACCORDING TO THE ARMY CAPTAIN.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/from-the-fact-3.html

If you want more similar anecdotes, perhaps you should read Phil Carter's blog:

http://www.intel-dump.com/posts/1203696668.shtml

Third off, he is CURRENTLY an Army captain. At the time of his tour, he was a lieutenant.

In my humble opinion, you should offer a retraction and an apology.


Mike

Thanks for weighing in, folks. I find it incredible, however, that you consider and ABC News reporter, interviewing an unnamed, unidentified, source, as "facts." Facts are those things that anyone can verify. Things like the name of the officer, the unit he was with, where and when he was there. You know, FACTS. As to the rest of your arguments, you can see my rebuttal added to the post. Thanks for reading..

Douglas Watts

So let me get this straight.

If you point out that combat soldiers are often forced to train and fight without important pieces of equipment that they are supposed to have, that means you don't "support the troops."

But if you call these combat soldier liars and insist that they have all the equipment they need -- even when they don't -- that is a sure sign that you "support the troops."

And it's not the President's fault if troops are not properly equipped.

Just checking.

Mike

People like you amaze me Mr. Watts. We're talking about one unidentified "officer" here, yet you conveniently change it to OFTEN forced to train and fight without important pieces of equipment. Maybe you should write Obama's military stuff. The rest of your rant is utter BS because you didn't read anything like that here. Which combat soldier did I call a liar? Name him and provide the example, and I will happily apologize for doing so. And - I know I'm repeating myself here, but you guys don't seem to get it - if your hero is so bent on providing our troops with the proper training and equipment to wage war, why does he consistently vote against them?

bochinam

Newt in '08

BWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

jbrookins

The "fact check" is funny as hell. So the CPT didn't get what "he" thinks was adequate ammo and equipment for training. Well no one every thinks they get enough. That is not a fact it’s an opinion. Give us numbers of rounds request (paperwork to back the request), Number of personnel actually training and then we can access where it was enough. Of course we'd also have to decide what the baseline for a unit is.

The "fact" that they didn't have a full platoon. Another basic military issue where manpower due to numerous reasons are almost never 100%. People come and go in the military. Neither issue is much to go on and it has always been a complaint at the lower levels of the military. Perhaps they are arguable truths but not necessarily facts.

Mismanagement of military funds is most often by neither the POTUS nor Congress but the military themselves.

Still the biggest issue that rings bullshit is using Taliban equipment especially weapons. The consequences for actually going out of the wire with non-issued weapons are often severe. If you were to kill someone with those weapons I would guarantee there would be court marital proceedings. If this CPT’s chain of command actually permitted and authorized this he should come forward publicly with real “facts” not opinions so that his chain of command could be held responsible. But I suspect thats not quiet the political statement either Obama, reporter or this unnamed CPT would like.

Oh and I was in Afghanistan in 2002-2003 and also used Hilux Toyotas. I highly recommend them as some tough ass vehicles. The HUMMHV was not armored at that time and was/is very hard to get in and out of. I'm not defending using the Hilux but I don't recall a lot of infantry units driving these while I was there except for local on base travel. But it's possible.

This is propaganda horseshit spin. And the fact checking doesn't actualy check any facts other than some CPT said it.

Name please, time please, Unit please.

labradog

What a pack of knee-jerk, Sgt. Rock wannabe morons.
It's obvious from the comments that your readers have never been closer to the military than a contract laundress.
See you at the Obama Inauguration, losers. Join us at the overpass, pissing on W on his way to Andrews AFB, scuttling back to Crawford.

Bad

"In my humble opinion, you should offer a retraction and an apology."

That would require HIM having a humble opinion, and his opinions are anything but.

Mike

Just a note, to friends and not so friendly, alike.... I do not tolerate profanity and/or abuse on my blog. If that's the only way you can express yourself, you're wasting your time. You're welcome to disagree, of course, but do so calmly and intelligently, or ply your hatred elsewhere. Thanks for reading, as always. The Management.

Amy Proctor

Oh, brother! You have "the truth hurts" Obama supporters over here, too?

This so-called equipment failure occured in 2003. 2003!! Obama tried to pass it off as current. What a deceitful person. I thought that was Hillary's department. The soldier wasn't a CPT at the time, he was a 1st LT! That's the equivelant of being a PVT! And according to CPT Mystery Soldier, Obama was wrong about the unit being split between Afghanistan and Iraq. What actually happened was at Ft. Drum some of the soldiers PSCed adn didn't go to Afghanistan... and the anon soldier has no idea if they ended up in Iraq or not but assumed some must have!

Obama is a fool and a dishonest one at that. Libs are falling on their swords over this because they're blindly following their Messiah.

Amy Proctor

Holy cow! Some of these comments are IDENTICAL to the ones on my blog by the same people. Obviously this is a lib tag team that cuts and pastes their stuff. Maybe from 2003?? Or is this current? Unreal. What a bunch of plastic phonies. I'd think it was the old time Clinton hit squad except that this is an Obama hit squad.

Mike

It almost makes Hillary Clinton look good, doesn't it? Lord help us all..

Tundra Politics

The more I hear from Obama, the more I dislike him.

I seriously question his integrity when Barack Obama makes statements like this one.

Bill

For those of you still knee-jerk reacting to the Right wing lies about this, Obama's story has been verified by the source:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/from-the-fact-3.html

Bill

"The more I hear from Obama, the more I dislike him.

I seriously question his integrity when Barack Obama makes statements like this one."

Interesting - questioning a man's integrity over truthful, verified statements, when you didn't have a clue as to whether what he said was right or wrong.
And WHOSE integrity should be questioned here?


Mike

Boy, you can't read very well, can you Bill? The ABC News piece is a shoddy piece of journalism. Even CNN has a better follow up with the "Captain" and says Obama screwed up most of the finer points of what he said..

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